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Permalink Reply by Mike Mestnik on November 5, 2009 at 10:24pm

Most/all v6 implementations are dualstacks. There was a post about DD-WRT not having gw6c, but that does not mean you can't get v6 working with another provider.

Permalink Reply by Ronald Nicolai on November 6, 2009 at 4:14am

I am still doing IIPv6 research. So far, I have read about dualstacks, but I have never heard of gw6c. I found out about a list of tunnel brokers on Wikipedia. I made bookmarks in my Firefox browser in the order that was listed there. 1) Hurricane Elelectric, 2) SixXS, and 3) (a link to a website that was shut down, but still had a link to gogoNET, so I went to gogoNET). I originally intended to join them in order, but changed my mind at the last minute and joined gogoNET while I was here. I have been very busy and have not really had the time to go back to join the other 2 tunnel brokers yet. Besides, I think I read somewhere on gogoNET that SixXS requires users to register with an email address other than a Gmail address (in other words, an ISP email address). I have been careful not to give out my ISP email address to avoid getting spammed there. I rarely access my ISP email account and don't want to change now if I don't have to. I get a lot of spam at my Gmail address, but I like Gmail's spam filters and email filters and so I don't get a lot of email in my Inbox. Does Hurricane Electric also require an ISP email address to register?

Permalink Reply by Carl Holzhauer on November 5, 2009 at 11:38pm

6in4 tunnels are the most common. Both HE and Sixxs offer these, so if your firmware supports 6in4, you're good to go

Permalink Reply by Ronald Nicolai on November 6, 2009 at 4:41am

When you say "6in4", don't you mean "6to4"? I think that is the proper way to refer to that technology. In my research so far, I have been left with the impression that Teredo is better than 6to4, but I could easily be wrong since I have only been doing IPv6 research for a little while. What I believe that I have found out so far about those two technologies is that Windows XP does not support either one of them and that Windows Vista supports both of them. My desktop computer (the one I'm on as I'm writing this) runs Windows XP Professional and connects to my wireless router via a 50-foot Cat-6 cable. I also have a laptop computer that runs Windows Vista Home Premium which connects to my wireless router with Wireless-G with WPA/TKIP encryption. I am under the impression that I am stuck with using an IPv6 tunnel broker while using my desktop computer (Windows XP Pro). I am hoping that after I update my firmware (or maybe buy some new hardware), that I would be able to use my laptop computer (Windows Vista Home Premium) to access the IPv6 Internet in native mode. I don't know if my ISP (AT&T Yahoo!) will allow that.

Permalink Reply by Carl Holzhauer on November 6, 2009 at 8:19am

When you say native mode, do you mean that ATT would provide you an Ipv6 address? Doubtful.

XP will do IPv6. I have not tried Teredo with it, but I know it works fine when handed an address via Router Advertisement

I meant 6in4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6in4

Teredo is not better than having a tunnel through a tunnelbroker; I would avoid Teredo if at all possible, and it is possible.

Permalink Reply by Ronald Nicolai on November 11, 2009 at 3:26pm

I am sorry I have not replied sooner, but I have been very busy. I read the 6in4 article. I also read about 6to4 and compared them with Teredo. It sounds like 6to4 is the most popular format, but it is limited by NAT where Teredo is not. I read online that Windows Vista Home Premium (which my laptop computer has) comes with 6to4 and Teredo alrealdy programmed in although there are no Windows Help files (on my Windows Vista laptop or my Windows XP Pro desktop) that say anything about them except that I could setup some kind of remote access with the Microsoft Teredo server (with my laptop computer) if I needed help from them. I got the impression that 6in4 would be good for using a tunnel broker (or at least for gogoNET) and that 6to4 and Teredo would probably without a tunnel broker. I have not had the time to spend signing up with any other tunnel brokers yet. Is my impression anywhere near correct? Before I try signing up any where else, I probably should upgrade the firmware in my wireless router (Linksys WRT54G v4.0) and maybe my modem (Siemens SpeedStream 4100). I just read on 2 different websites that my router has serious problems with P2P downloading clients (I prefer Vuze, but also have µTorrent), especially the way that I want to setup the software (with DHT enabled and with unlimited or high number of connections). Since I just mentioned downloading, I was wondering: does gogoNET have any problems with me connecting with a proxy and/or a VPN? I just recently ran into a problem with Vuze and had to start using another client (µTorrent) to download P2P files, so I will be installing Tor again (with the proxy that it comes with) and I don't really want to install the TorButton (turns Tor on and off and maybe the proxy) because I think Mozilla (Mozillazine maybe) says that there is a problem when using the TorButton in Firefox. I like Vuze because it has a built-in onion router setup (at least in the Advanced Mode, and you can choose to be anonymous), but I don't think any other client does that. I also read that the BitTorrent client and website should not be used because of their relationship with the media insustry - that is why there are IP blocker lists that block them.

Permalink Reply by Carl Holzhauer on November 11, 2009 at 3:35pm

Correct, you do not need a tunnel broker to have a Teredo tunnel. But, with Teredo, if Ipv4 is available, your system will use that before using Teredo.

I don't know about GogoNet, but SIxxs has a tunnel that can get around NAT; you can't run it on your linksys though

Permalink Reply by Don on December 1, 2009 at 6:00pm

Wow!
ISP NAT traversal, wireless router firmware (WRT54Gv4), tunneling, 6in4, 6to4, Teredo, native V6, the IPV6 address space, IPV6 address size with all those colons, ...

I signed up for and tried to configure HE tunnel broker service. It required an IPV4 Internet visible computer address. No go because my ISP forces me behind NAT into the ISP's private network. So I looked at what the wirless router could do. Since the wireless router does not have an IPv4 Internet visible IP address, signing up for any tunnel broker seems like a no go.

Earthlink has IPV6/IPV4 dual stack firmware for the WRT54G v0 - v4. (All references to "Lnksys below are in refernce to the WRT54Gv4 wireless router.) The Earthlink project was called "IPV6 in the Home". http://www.research.earthlink.net/ipv6/
is an introductory page that will lead you to a FAQ and a download of the firmware. The page was created back in July 2005. There is an announcement in the IPV6 Sandbox forum the IPSEC tunnel service was going to be shutdown in September 2007, but a subsequent post in June, 2009 says the service is still running.

You do need to create an account to use the IPSEC service and subsequently program your WRT54G with your account information to use that service. For Windows XP (and apparently Vista as that is what I am using) you need to install a piece of Cygwin software to use Earthlink's client on your machine to converse through the IPSEC tunnel. But when all is said and done (read the FAQ as well as the installation instructions because its got the most information) you will have "native" IPV6, as the connection to the Earthlink IPSEC tunnel provides DHCPV6 and gives you an IPV6 address to use.

However, for me there is a problem with this firmware. It seems to garbage up the dialog to send email from an iMac running Snow Leopard to my ISP SMTP (outgoing mail) server. (I have 2 iMacs on my home network, along with 4 Windows pcees, 3 of which are virtual). A log of the connection (and send) dialog shows garbage and I cannot the send email. (Interestingly I can receive email just fine!?) Got to have the iMacs and send email on my network.

Also, the firmware installation instruction sends you to the Linksys site so you can get a copy of the latest (and NOT greatest) copy of the firmware if you need to back out, like I did. The problem is version available, 4.21.1, has numerous complaints posted in various forums: like having to reboot every so often to keep the thing running. (Remember when you had to reboot Windows every so often to keep it running?)

As far as I can tell, the Earthlink firmware is the only one to support IPV6. Seavesoft doesn't. I am planning to upgrade to OpenWRT or gargoyle (based on OpenWRT). I have not researched the feature/functionality of this firmware, but since it is open I would think there should be IPV6 capability soon if not now. (Maybe I will have to contribute?)

I am currently looking at Microsoft's implementation of Teredo. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa965909%28VS.85%29.aspx
You may be put off by the declaration "Teredo is designed for use by C/C++ developers with IPv6 network programming experience." But there still is alot of good information about Teredo you should be able to understand.

I also read somewhere (I think) that since Teredo is host based, your computer has all the IPV6 knowledge and you can run Teredo through Linksys, because Linksys will just pass the bits through like data.

But I would still like to know where I can get my very own IPV6 address that I can use. I have no problems with a static IPV6 address. In fact, since there are so many of these IPV6 addresses (what is it, like 3.4 by 10 to the 36th), I think it should be manufacturers that should put into a machine an IPV6 address much like they do now with a MAC address. (In fact I thought I saw somwhere that an IPV6 address could contain the MAC address as part of its total). Just burn an IPV6 address into the machine. Then we would have IPV6 at the machine (hardware) level that can be used by the operating systems for whatever.

You mentioned GogoNet (http://gogonet.gogo6.com). Isn't that where we are now? The GoGNet homepage seems to be for "social networking" (like this forum). In fact GogoNet lead me here by the word "free" and the http:// on my browser is gogonet.gogo6.com/group/v6america/forum/...! http://gogoware.gogo6.com seems to offer a hardware ($) solution. Seems to me I already have IPV6 hardware (my computer).

I quickly visited Sixxs. The AYIYA solution may be feasible. I'll check it out. Maybe its time to start a new thread: Anybody have experience/use AYIYA?

Well this is my loooooong 2 cents worth.

Permalink Reply by Carl Holzhauer on December 2, 2009 at 9:18am

Yes, I have used the AYIYA tunnels from Sixxs; they will work for what you need them to do. The packet overhead is higher than what you would see with a normal tunnel, but they work just fine and are a viable solution when you can't use a static tunnel.

Permalink Reply by Ahmed Abu-Abed on January 25, 2010 at 7:41am

Download the gogoCLIENT and run this on your PC, its free and gives you connectivity to the v6 world over your existing IPv4 modem and router and through any NAT. Use the Freenet6 link at the top of this forum. You even get an IPv6 Apache on it to host your own IPv6 website.

As for MacOS, the Freenet6 folks also post a BSD version (which MacOS is derived from) and how to run 'make' there, so presumably it should work if you have a the gcc toolchain for compiling code on the Mac platform.

TSP protocol, used by gogo6 products and the Freenet6 tunnel plus many ISPs, is much more verstaile and ISP friendly compared to Teredo. Check out the attached file for a comparison.

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• TSP vs Teredo.pdf, 48 KB

Permalink Reply by Ronald Nicolai on January 23, 2010 at 9:05am

Will the AYIYA Tunnels in SixXS work through my Linksys WRT54G version 4.0 wireless router and then through my Siemens Speedstream 4100 modem? I already have the Earthlink firmware, but I don't know where to get that other software that is required to make it work the way it was described above.

Permalink Reply by Carl Holzhauer on January 24, 2010 at 10:38pm

Sure they will, but you can't use the linksys to host your tunnel.

You could flash DD-WRT firmware to your linksys and use hat for the tunnel, but then you wouldn't need AYIYA

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