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Permalink Reply by Thomas Kernen on October 6, 2010 at 12:01pm

They do. Look at the agenda for the next SwiNOG meeting:
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog21/swinog21_agenda-txt.txt

Permalink Reply by Jaap Hoetmer on October 6, 2010 at 12:26pm

OK thanks, very interesting link.
It sure gives me a lot to read from their previous meetings.
I think consumer and small business solutions are not in sight yet. The previous meeting minutes shows some interesting slides from Hurricane Electric, containing a.o. this:

Consumer broadband?: (trials, trials, trials)
Home/Small office routers: (sadly lacking)
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Cheers, Jaap

Permalink Reply by Gabriel Mueller on October 6, 2010 at 1:31pm

Hi Jaap

Regarding small business solutions: To my knowlegde at least one ISP is working on this and as far as I can remember Init7 is offering already native IPv6 connectivity. And if Iam not wrong you can also get an ipv6 prefix from cablecom (as business customer).

Regarding routers: At least there is some movement in the consumer area (for example google for 'fritzbox ipv6'). One other easy way is to get a router which can be flashed with dd-wrt or use a linux box as router (e.g. take some hardware from pcengines). In the business area I would assume that most of the cisco products support ipv6 (since I read something about pushing ipv6 related configurations to cisco devices in one of their books).

Br
Gabriel

Permalink Reply by Thomas Kernen on October 7, 2010 at 5:22am

I can't comment on behalf of Swisscom but the BBCS platform does apply to all customers including end users. So it will then depend on how Swisscom wants to package the IPv6 services to the different market segments.

And note that someone has already posted the link to the Sixxs.net IPv6 provider list, there are a few more but it really depends what you are looking for (end-user/retail, SMB, enterprise, transit, etc). The options are out there, simply not well advertised.

Permalink Reply by Beat Siegenthaler on October 7, 2010 at 9:16am

Absolutely agree,

actual cyberlink told me, that IPv6 costs same as fix IPv4 addresses, that means SFr. 20.- per month. It must hurt, when You want to be early adopter ;-)

Permalink Reply by Jaap Hoetmer on October 7, 2010 at 3:16pm

My interest in IPv6 firstly is because I am professionally interested in networks and security. Secondly, our village is being "fibered" and somewhere near the end of this month/beginning next month I will be receiving two pairs of fibres in my home: one for Swisscom and the other where I can choose other service providers. All optional. So I have to choose.
As I am an independent consultant I need internet connectivity business-wise, but since I run my business from home any connectivity I would obtain would serve two purposes. So I am investigating options between a customer-grade DSL or business-grade connection.

That is why I am trying to get a better understanding of the ISP landscape in Switzerland, and to understand how I could be an early adopter of IPv6 at the same time.

Any additional suggestions would be very welcome.

Many thanks all for the very useful comments already provided!

Permalink Reply by Gabriel Mueller on October 7, 2010 at 3:39pm

I would not focus too much on native IPv6 connectivity. Using a tunnel does not make such a big difference (in my opinion). Of course a tunnel to Amsterdam (of gogo6) is not that nice but if you use a tunnel of SIXXS you get a POP in Zurich. With that tunnel you can pretty well do a lot of IPv6 experiments.

Permalink Reply by Beat Siegenthaler on October 7, 2010 at 4:32pm

Yes, I am a longtime fan of the sixxs project.

But with my experience I have to warn about the two swiss sixxs PoP's.
chzrh01: Some time ago, suddenly they supported tunnels only from providers with direct peering. You can have negative side effects.
chzrh02: heard from two parties that it has still beta stadius. It is nowhere officially confirmed. But there are huge outages. It is better now, but still some hours per week.
(The service is absolutely free, therefore I cannot not judge about that)

On the other side, I have/had perfect reliable 24/7 sixxs tunnels in Netherlands and USA.
And it is a perfect start into IPv6 with subnets opposite the xxredo-Stuff.

Also Hurricane Electric has reliable tunnels.

Permalink Reply by Beat Siegenthaler on October 7, 2010 at 2:58pm

This is a bit OT, but today at least Deutsche Telekom announced a timeline:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Deutsche-Telekom-konkretisie...

Permalink Reply by Beat Siegenthaler on October 7, 2010 at 2:57am

I know only this listing...

http://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=native&country=ch

Permalink Reply by Jaap Hoetmer on October 7, 2010 at 3:07pm

Thanks, that is a very useful listing. And indeed, it doesn't show Swisscom (yet).
Who has experience with any of these ISPs, or who knows someone who knows more?

Cheers.

Permalink Reply by Martin Gysi on December 7, 2011 at 8:41am

Swisscom has just upgraded the first wave of CPE routers with an IPv6 capable firmware. IPv6 can be enabled on the customer web portal (opt-in).

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